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Event Recap
On the last day of New York Fashion Week, ON_Discourse convened a breakfast event around our recent ON_Fashion release: The Secondary Market Issue. Let’s recap…
Overlooking Governor’s Island from the elegant confines of Casa Cipriani, fifteen C-suite experts, investors, and ON_Discourse members engaged in rigorous dialogue about the technology and platforms that are redefining the concepts of ownership in the fashion industry.
Toby Daniels and Michael Treff served as primary provokers representing ON_Discourse. Toby stopped me in the hallway before the session to tell me his game plan: “Fashion Week is underway and I want to redirect all of that attention away from design trends and into the technology advancements that are opening up new markets for this industry. On top of that, I want to get real opinions from the group,” he said, a fire in his eyes, “more finger pointing and less head nodding.”
I was in the room and can testify that Toby’s game plan was successful. By the end of the session, several people were trying to double-dutch their final word before starting their business day. I saw more than a few notable head shakes and heard enough sighs to tell me that this room experienced some heat. And like clean-up time in preschool, there was an undeniable disappointment that our time together had ended. This has always been our goal at ON_Discourse. Check out the key takeaways and moments from this morning and let me know if anything here makes you want to push this thinking forward. And members, the good news is that we are still here, ready and willing to hear your follow up arguments and positions on this matter. The Secondary Market Issue is always open for a follow up.
As always the pull-quotes are not and will never be attributed.
Key
Provocations:
The fashion industry has a strange relationship with technology (strong backend innovation, and unnecessary hype around CX).
The fast fashion industry wants to destroy what you own.
A brand has no right to your resale revenue.
Discourse
Rating
Disagreeable — there were productive moments of low boiling and some unresolvable ambiguity in the room. We believe that these moments are the strongest opportunity to develop original insights that can help you make better decisions.
Key Takeaways, Quotes,
and Moments:
In the fashion industry, the backend always powers the next innovation.
- The fashion industry is fundamentally design-driven. This explains the curious relationship it has with technology – on one hand the industry is introducing cutting edge technology to advance item tracking and authentication, while on the other hand, every year we see it chasing a new CX trend like NFTs or AR items. The design ethos cannot sustain new tech forces beyond a single seasonal trend cycle.
The secondary market is creeping up on the luxury market.
- Luxury brands don’t have to think about the secondary market because the ultra-net-worth buyer is never going away. Their reliable purchase activity is a certainty that keeps the luxury market viable.. Nevertheless, the secondary market is inadvertently expanding luxury brands into wider audience segments. The implications of this expansion are not yet known.
Brands have a right to authenticate their products.
- The implications of authentication quickly segmented the room into two opposing opinions. There were strong objections to adding extra costs added to newly authenticated items. These costs amounted to a new vig to fund a brand’s expansion into the secondary market. This concept led the group to question the very notion of ownership, prompting one participant to say “If you make money on my resale, I don’t fully own the product.”
“But I don’t think you should pay rent on authenticity.”
- The implications of authentication quickly segmented the room into two opposing opinions. There were strong objections to any extra costs added to newly authenticated items. These costs amounted to a new vig that powers the secondary market.
- On the other hand, the marketing, design, and manufacturing effort that accumulates into brand value is the primary source of resale value; there were several advocates for this fact in the room who were comfortable shooting down these defensive claims about rent.
Brands have to earn the right to secondary market revenue.
- The discourse concluded on a crescendo; the secondary market represents a new dimension in the relationship between brands and their customers. This dimension will drive immense and growing value for both sides but the path to revenue requires transparency and shared values. It is not enough to pad retail prices with authentication taxes that can cover resale value; the primary path to resolution involves a deeper level of community and communication between brands and their customers. The brands that will succeed in this space will earn the trust from their customers that will shape and define a more mature version of the secondary market. The one thing the room agreed on was that the secondary market is not going anywhere.
How do you react to the takeaways from the event? What have you been thinking about in this issue? Let us know and join the discourse. Reach out to me at chmiel@ondiscourse.com and we can keep the discourse flowing.
It’s not news that luxury fashion has woken up to the potential importance of the secondary market. As the CEO of One of None, I have spent the last two years talking to fashion companies about the issue of authentication. Brands primarily see the problem through the lens of reputation protection and address it via litigation. But the missing provenance from luxury resales is much more than that.
The Future is
Authenticated, Brands
Risk Missing the
Opportunity
Provenance – or the lack of it – lies at the heart of a radical, transformational shift in the marketplace. Solve the provenance conundrum and you shape the future of luxury sales – and positively impact every player in the creator-collector-consumer-investor nexus. Continue to kick the can down the road, and the secondary marketplace doesn’t go away, it simply grows disfigured and misshapen. (Cue the Darth Vader music.)
Provenance has dramatically increased in importance because the secondary market is now unrecognizable from even just a few years ago, upended by a convergence of new buyer preferences and new technology platforms: think peer-to-peer digital exchanges such as Poshmark and eBay, and curated marketplaces such as StockX and Goat.
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Brands
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forecast,
fall.
Brands
that react,
rise.
Perspective
is Everything.
ON_Discourse is a new membership media
company focused on the business of technology, prioritizing expert-driven discourse to drive perspectives.
Why should
you care?
We are Surrounded
by Fake-experts
Lacking Depth
in their Thinking
Ideas are
Trapped within
Conventional boundaries
The People
in our Industry
Often Think
the Same
Unintended
Consequences
in Tech Lead to
Costly Mistakes
in Business
What to
expect.
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PHYSICAL AND DIGITAL
FASHION
GOODS
Why the Metaverse Creates Brand Identity and Authenticity Issues for Fashion Companies
Have you ever scrolled through eBay, StockX, Facebook Marketplace, or some other secondary marketplace and come across a pair of sneakers that catches your eye? Maybe there’s that luxury handbag that is normally outside your budget but a seller is selling the item for a significantly cheaper price. You pull the trigger and make the purchase, only to wait a week for the item to arrive and realize that the product was not truthfully advertised. In fact, upon further inspection, you realize that you bought a “dupe” – a fake.
The Battle Against Counterfeit Goods in Secondary Marketplaces is Significant
This is the unfortunate reality of secondary marketplaces. Some sellers will blatantly sell fake versions of real fashion products under the façade of the product being genuine. A 2018 study by the US Government Accountability Office found that about 40% of goods purchased on e-commerce websites are counterfeit products. This same study also determined that of the 32 million shipments processed by US Customs and Border Protection (USCBP) in the year 2016, over 31,000 of them were seized containing products that infringed on the copyright, trademarks, or other IP rights belonging to major brands, including fashion-oriented brands. The estimated value of these seizures was over $1.3 billion. That’s nearly 3 times the valuation of the top 10 luxury fashion brands in 2023.
The sale of counterfeit goods has been a battle USCBP has consistently engaged in for years. USCBP recognizes the transport and sale of counterfeit goods as a federal offense that is punishable by a fine, prison time, or both if one is convicted of engaging in criminal copyright infringement or criminal trademark infringement. But aside from government intervention and enforcement, secondary marketplaces have come to recognize the growing trend of counterfeit goods sales on their platform. Thankfully, they have addressed this issue front and center. In addition to having a counterfeit goods policy, eBay has created authentication protocols that would ensure that any watch, handbag, or piece of jewelry sold is authenticated by a professional. Similarly, StockX (a marketplace known for selling sneakers) has its own verification process to ensure that any sneaker sold is legitimate.
The biggest victims of counterfeit goods sales on secondary marketplaces are brands. In particular, fashion brands have been prone to infringement-worthy activity for decades. Behavior like this is well documented in “House of Gucci” when counterfeit Gucci products were being sold for a significant fraction of the cost during Gucci’s meteoric rise to fame. Fashion brands recognize that people are quick to flock to secondary marketplaces or even take a walk to places like Canal Street and get a fake product and compromise quality for the sake of saving money.
Perspective
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We are Surrounded
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The relationship between fashion and technology has always been a curious one. Early hesitations from high-end fashion brands about embracing online storefronts, the influential role of social media, and the rush to hop onto trending bandwagons like NFTs and the metaverse highlight the dynamics of their interaction. Yet, technology has also paved the way for market expansions, ushering in the era of direct-to-consumer (D2C) models and influencer-driven retail.
A rapidly evolving landscape is the secondary market. Changing consumer behaviors challenge traditional ownership ideals. Technology is swiftly introducing new authentication methods, from innovative material designs to more advanced techniques. Legacy platforms such as eBay are vying for dominance in this secondary market alongside newer disruptors like TheRealReal.
Brands grapple with their place in this secondary market. Some, like Patagonia, Levis, and DOEN, are reclaiming, authenticating, and reselling products. Others destroy surplus inventory to artificially create scarcity and elevate value. Strategies are emerging that leverage the secondary market’s appeal to boost primary sales, as seen with Nike and Supreme. Legal battles ensue over intellectual property rights, such as the StockX vs. Nike case. Innovative startups, like One of None, are reimagining ownership concepts, while established ventures, like Rent-The-Runway, question the notion of ownership altogether. Not to mention, social media platforms are enabling individuals to bypass traditional avenues, building personal followings to directly sell secondary products.
JOIN US FOR ON_FASHION,
A DISCOURSE FILLED EVENT DEBATING THE FUTURE OF THE SECONDARY MARKET.
CASA CIPRIANI
SEPTEMBER 13TH
9AM-11AM
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memberships@ondiscourse.com


This evolving landscape demands fresh technological solutions to tackle emerging challenges and uncover new opportunities. We’re confronted with both time-tested queries and novel contemplations:
- How can products be accurately authenticated?
- How can consumers ensure the authenticity of their purchases?
- Should brands be entitled to receive royalties in secondary sales?
- Is the concept of ownership still as revered?
- If products are viewed as assets, shouldn’t they be tradable like financial commodities?
Such inquiries present unique opportunities to harness or innovate technology, be it materials science, blockchain, generative AI, or advanced personalization.
In ON_Fashion, The Secondary Market Issue we will explore these trends from a multitude of angles, driven by articles from some of the world’s leading experts in fashion, tech and business. Over the course of the coming days and weeks we will publish provocations and new perspectives that will unlock new ways to think about this fast growing and hugely disruptive segment of the market.
On September 13, we also host ON_Fashion a discourse-driven event, during New York Fashion Week to debate these topics with a group of C-Suite leaders, investors and tech entrepreneurs.
Interested in attending? Inquire about membership here: memberships@ondiscourse.com
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Perspective
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ON_Discourse is a new membership media
company focused on the business of technology, prioritizing expert-driven discourse to drive perspectives.
Why should
you care?
We are Surrounded
by Fake-experts
Lacking Depth
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Ideas are
Trapped within
Conventional boundaries
The People
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Often Think
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Consequences
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- Disagreement encouraged.
- Curiosity to go deeper.